Fruitcake MIDI Forum Treasury

[dPaladin]

[Yoshgunn]

Ok we have to have some things straightened out first.

Out of all the books to use an example from in the Bible, you picked Job. However, Job is not a real account of a prophet, or a judge, or an evangelist, or even a real person. Yes. Job is fake.

It is a work of fiction to illustrate a point, and I wouldn't reccomend taking your views of how Satan is represented in Job as the real Christian idea of him.

Also, the serpent in Genesis is not really a snake. It is some other creature, some lizard shit... ahh, damn, the explanation escapes me atm, it was something called a Nahash... I gotta look that up. But no, the idea for the Nahash Satan in the garden did not come from a poet, centuries later.
_________________
IM THE DUDE PLAYIN THE DUDE DISGUISED AS ANOTHER DUDE

I FORGOT HOW I WAS GONNA END THIS??!

"Good Lord, child get it right - I did not "show you my ass", I mooned you. There is a very important legal difference." - Chzrm3

[Izzhov]

[dPaladin]

[Yoshgunn]

I believe all parts of it. Sure, there's some sections of the afterlife that are left to speculation that make me hope eternity isn't too harsh on sinners, but I don't discard any of it. If you're talking about Job being fake, I'M not saying Job is fake, that's a fact. Like I said, it's one big, long, parable they made into a book in the Bibl-o.

As far as translations go, you are bound to be confused by the different translations of the Bible, I dunno what to tell ya. Who is Milton, anyway?

Btw Izzhov, to be honest, I'm not sure this is community would be the most receptive of Bible quotes. O_o Besides, I always found quoting the Bible a bit pretentious.
_________________
IM THE DUDE PLAYIN THE DUDE DISGUISED AS ANOTHER DUDE

I FORGOT HOW I WAS GONNA END THIS??!

"Good Lord, child get it right - I did not "show you my ass", I mooned you. There is a very important legal difference." - Chzrm3

[Izzhov]

[dPaladin]

Have you even read the bible, Yosh? If you haven't, that's fine. But you really should if you're going to be part of the Christian crew. If you have read it, don't be afraid to quote it if it defends your point.
_________________
dude look at this signature

[Fragmentor]

well, here is somthing to think about:

did any of you guys know that every 7 years your body gets a new set of atoms?* (i.e. over a pireod 7 years your body is replaceing every atom, and at the end of ~7 years you dont any longer contain the atoms you once had 7 years ago.)

so my queston is this:
how is it that you are still "you" after 7 years, or, to word it differently, what defines a person if your being "recicled" all the time, and lack an eternal sole?

*i read this somwhere(i cant remember where), and im prety sure its relible, althow it does hav a 5% chance of being false.
_________________
There are 10 types of people:
Those who understand binary,
And those who don't.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
A recent study shows that 92% of all teenagers have moved on to rap music. Put this in your sig if you are one of the 8% who stayed with real music.
vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv

[Damian]

Brain. DNA. Etc.

Also, that makes no sense at all. And logically you'd have to lose every single atom of yourself at one time to be totally replaced with something new--not over a course of seven years... but still. Eh?
_________________
when the world is sick, can't no one be well? but i dreamt we was all beautiful and strong
-
listen to my music!
-
facebook | twitter | last.fm | youtube

[dPaladin]

I prefer to think of it in terms of "I'm part Jesus, part dinosaur, and part Abraham Lincoln."
_________________
dude look at this signature

[chzrm3]

[Damian]

Well. I think he means you, as in, Paul. Yeah. Your name IS Paul, right? I thought so. Sure, we all change, but he means physically. And not as in "in shape" or so on.
_________________
when the world is sick, can't no one be well? but i dreamt we was all beautiful and strong
-
listen to my music!
-
facebook | twitter | last.fm | youtube

[Izzhov]

[Ricky]

My aunt is a psychologist, and she has annoying psychologist idiosyncrasies. Psychologists tend to think that how you were raised completely controls the rest of your life, rather than thinking that you form habits which are hard to break. Or in other words, changing who you are is nigh impossible, rather than very difficult, according to many psychologists.

My aunt tends to treat me like who I was, rather than I who I am or who I could be. I find it very frustrating. And then she is always surprised when I act differently than her analysis of my character. Not to mention she comes to ridiculous conclusions about me. She tends to do the proud auntie thing, and tell everyone how I'm learning to fly. "He's wanted to fly since he was boy. He's learning to fly, and getting to fulfill a childhood dream." Ermmm... I was a depressed, unmotivated child, and had no childhood dreams.

So what I'm saying, is that there is nothing to say Ricky today is the same as Ricky seven years ago, because this Ricky and that Ricky are two completely different Rickys. [vent]And it's extremely annoying when people I haven't seen in a long time see me being kind to my siblings and say, "Oh, but you always were rude to your siblings in the past. Did you change?" Are you lacking observational skills? Of course I changed. People assuming I am the same person today as I was yesterday is perhaps the most annoying and frustrating thing I encounter on a regular basis.[/vent]
_________________
Compassion is the radicalism of our time.
- The Dalai Lama

[Izzhov]

I think older people tend to be harder to change than younger ones, but I don't think you really become "set in your ways," so to speak, until you become very old. That's just from my experience. It's also why I think older people are generally more resistant to change and new technology. ("In my day, we didn't have cellular phones!" "Those were the good old days..." etcetera.)
_________________
BRAND NEW FCMidi Forums!

[Tommy]

Well, I think that we’ve already said that trying to prove religion logically just doesn’t work. But I don’t think I’ve had a chance to properly explain myself. Forget scientific arguments, this is the real reason I’m still a Christian.
I’ve been going to the same church for years now. And the vicar of this church is a nice, down to earth guy whom I trust as I would trust my friends. And over a period of years he’s spoken to us about many things that just wouldn’t happen without any spiritual input. For example, a prophet from the church warned him that they thought the Devil was going to try and kill him that day. He was prayed for and he thought God was teaching him a lesson about trust. Anyway, on the same day this happened, a man down the street from where he lived was killed on a construction site accident.
Another example, he went through a period of trusting God with his money and living with very little (for example he sold the family car). Then one day he needed an aeroplane fair to get to a conference and he couldn’t afford it. He didn’t tell anyone but he prayed to God and the next day someone in church said they thought God was telling them to give him money, and gave him the exact amount he needed.
Other examples include when he received words from God for some people on the street he’d never met. When he told them the words, they were very relevant to problems they were facing (I could expand as this has happened a couple of times but you get the idea).
Sure, you could blame the first few times on coincidence or psychology. You could say I’ve made a huge misjudgement of character and he is a fraud. But as this has been going on day after day, year after year, it would mean he’d have to plan his entire life around an intricate web of lies. And it’s not just him, he’d have to bring in all the speakers and missionaries I’ve heard talk, and bribe them into his web of deceit. If that’s not unlikely enough, some of our church friends we know personally have had amazing things happen to them-such as a car that kept filling up with petrol when they couldn’t afford it. It gets to a point where blaming it on lies of coincidence would require greater faith than a belief in God. And I know that very few of you will have experienced this yourself, as most of you won’t go to church (and you won’t go to church because you don’t believe these things happen).
And it’s very few churches that actually see anything of this sort happening at all, in fact some don’t believe the holy spirit is relevant today at all.
I suppose if this is all a massive conspiracy theory then I have been well and truly taken in, but by the time I realise that, I’ll be ashes anyway. Better that than the other way around.
_________________
Young men, you're getting detention for being without shorts
I know who's actually to blame, but we need those guys for sports.

[Izzhov]

[Tommy]

My post wasn't based around conspiracy theories; I was using it as an analogy to show how unlikely I thought it would be that all those events were made up. I chose this topic because most of it has been used to discuss religion and I realised I hadn't explained the main reason I remain a Christian even through periods of doubt.
_________________
Young men, you're getting detention for being without shorts
I know who's actually to blame, but we need those guys for sports.

[Izzhov]

[Tommy]

Ooh, here's something of interest:

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=3682855866783766146&q=ian+mccormack&total=70&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

and the original website:

http://www.aglimpseofeternity.org/content.php?folder_id=1

Find out what it's like to die. Obviously I'm not posting this and saying "naow u must convert!!!" but I thought it would be interesting, especially for the Christians on the forum.
_________________
Young men, you're getting detention for being without shorts
I know who's actually to blame, but we need those guys for sports.

[dPaladin]

And I'll leap upon any excuse to post Penn and Teller:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAywxhVvLU4

EDIT: Fair warning to all: Their show is called Penn & Teller: Bullshit. If that doesn't give you a clue as to what kind of language you're going to hear, then there's nothing I can do for you.
_________________
dude look at this signature

[Izzhov]

[Yoshgunn]

Hmm, I always found it intresting that every so called NDE seems to bring up the same image that people claim to have seen. I mean, why do people that aren't even Christians "see" a huge light or say they spoke with God? I dunno, always found that weird.

Of course, saying theres a scientific explanation for that does little to disprove the existence of life after death, imo.
_________________
IM THE DUDE PLAYIN THE DUDE DISGUISED AS ANOTHER DUDE

I FORGOT HOW I WAS GONNA END THIS??!

"Good Lord, child get it right - I did not "show you my ass", I mooned you. There is a very important legal difference." - Chzrm3

[Izzhov]

[Tommy]