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[chzrm3]

[Tdlicrfthawk]

Let's get one point across first, if anyone got upset and annoyed as I posted, 'Disillustioned' in the Misc forum which I know shouldn't have been there.

I'm sorry

I should've known better.

I know the Admins are there to keep law and order, and I give them full respect for that. If we didn't have rules then we would be all French, too many rules on the otherhand, probably Germans.

So I regret posting the topic in the first place.

Sorry again. ed.
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[Izzhov]

[Cheese Monkey]

[dPaladin]

[chzrm3]

And when he did, it went to Misc. forum. Beyond that, it was a nice game while it lasted (and if it's not there anymore, why not remake it? the pruner's been extended, after all).

Yup - that's my point. Just because something ~could~ be put in the OTT, it doesn't mean it should, or even that it belongs there over other places. I think we can both agree that a discussion like that deserves its own thread - but that's cause we both enjoy those kinds of discussions. So for the people that enjoy those fun conversations, isn't it equally valid that some particularly pertinent topics (ie, being drunk) might have their own thread?

Granted. I'm just saying that it leaves the door open for those kinds of things.

But in the same vein, that door's open right now, and you rarely ever see it. As far as I know there have been two 'thread fads' we've gone through, *name* has died and Dis-something + ...

I posted that in the OTT because it didn't deserve its own thread, and it only got one reply, an unfavorable one. To be quite honest, I thought it sucked in its current form, too. It ran its course and it faded into memory, like it should have.

Fair enough - it was your idea, after all. Still, I wouldn't have seen a problem with it getting someits own thread in 'site improvement.'

Okay, I'm hearing two different things from this:
A. We should make judgement calls, but
B. We should NOT lock threads which break other rules

...do I have that right?

I'm sorry to say that B won't ever be the case. If you intend to flame someone, a warning and a lock will be given regardless of where it's posted.

Naw - the only rule I was referring to was "Silly, nonsense threads cannot be allowed." (In whatever current form it is.) This is the judgement call we'd like to see - the difference between the twenty "your mom lol" threads vs. a thread that's genuinely funny is fairly clear-cut, and while I doubt anyone could seriously object to locking down the former, the latter is something we do enjoy.

As for A, well, that is very 4chan-like - the idea that the moderators can lock as they see fit, or just to be spiteful.

I think that's fine though - I trust you guys enough to not 'spite' us or anything. Sure there's always jokes like when TBO would say "One day I'll kill the OTT", and stuff, but he never meant it.... right? ...

Now, I hesitate to throw this out, because it's by no means a perfect comparison. But this is the "Spam" board on a PSO forum I used to run back when the content was relevant. I wrote up the rules thread for it when I made it:

On ROF's spam board, I wrote:

Nothing illegal or pornographic - just like the one on Schtboards No thread breaking via nested quotes, gratuitous EEERRRNNN, etc. No clone topics. Schtboards' spam forum was ruined mostly because we'd have a flood of clone topics every 0.5 days, usually by a mod/admin. [b]Forum is very lightly moderated. Mods are allowed to troll. Mods are NOT allowed (in the sense that I can disallow them to do anything) to lock threads just because they may not find them funny (another problem on Scht's spam forum). Mods should only lock threads if they break one of the above rules. Posts in this forum do not count.

It worked well enough when those forums were still going. But the environment in the PSO community was very different than this one (hence the imperfect comparison).[/b]

Yeah, spam boards are great fun - when there aren't database issues. I'd really be all for one if we hadn't experienced several fairly depressing crashes already...

The part I boldfaced is the most relevant, and would theoretically be compared to what you're saying (minus the "mods trolling" part - we wouldn't allow trolling in these threads, like I said above). How close to the mark is that?

It's pretty close - I'd say the only difference is to make it "Mods are NOT allowed to lock threads just because they may not find them funny or see a point to them." Within reason, of course... like we've said, the 20 million identical threads are never fun for anyone. But unless it's something like Pubic Hair (a very funny thread that many enjoyed, but that upset certain members and therefore had to go), locking those threads just seems like it does more harm than good.

Also true. I've proposed a reform of the warning system to the mod cave, not much discussion on it yet. Let me ask, what do you guys think would be a good way to get the warning system taken more seriously?

Heh, I don't know that you ever could. We're all friends here, really, and the last thing I'd want to see is us tightening the leash such that people were getting banned and stuff. As I've said before, a lot of it is moderated, in a sense, by the community. If one guy's really bad, people are going to step in and say "woah, watch it." If one guy's really annoying, people are going to be like "UUUUGH". Etc... So while we may never really 'fear' the warning system, we do respect each other/you guys to the point that we really have no reason to purposefully hurt each other.... be it by spam/swears/racial slurs/etc.

Because I still forsee them being vastly more numerous than you apparently do, especially if they're allowed to live for two months. Hey, if we do this and I see a good joke thread, I'll gladly contribute. But you said yourself that these threads die off quickly - and once they do, what's the point of letting them sit and rot, and clutter up the same space as game threads which are designed to last, well, indefinitely? The pruning thresholds are there to give people a window into reviving a discussion/game. These joke threads, in contrast, are supposedly dead within a week, as well they should be.

Now, I wouldn't mind a system of manually deleting them after a few days or even a week, but that would be subject to human error, y'see.

I mean, from past experience, a thread like that usually comes along once every 2-3 weeks or so. The OTT really does take a lot of the bulk of that "let's be random and silly" passion - it's just those instances when someone wants to sing a song to a certain member or do something vaguely game-esque like saying "Let's go!", that these other threads really pop up.

To sum up what we're asking for - it's really a slackening of that 'no silly threads outside of the OTT' rule. Not to the point that, if you say "Okay guys, that rule's void!" we're going to go and start making these threads as regularly as we make threads in the misc or the VG grotto. Just such that, when they do happen (as they inevitably will), they aren't locked down if they're very good/enjoyable.

Oh also, as far as database issues, I don't think threads in the Topic Graveyard ever go away. We've still got some from last year. Granted, it's only a few hundred posts, but it couldn't hurt to put a prune on that too. (Unless you guys were purposefully saving 'em?)
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[Sam]

[Cheese Monkey]

[CommunistBrotherJr]

[chzrm3]

This is entirely true, and it's why I've always considered this forum more mild and lax than anywhere else I know of on the internet. With that said, I highly doubt people would be outright banned - the word ban implying that they cannot return. What I proposed to the mod cave was something along the lines of:

First warning - nothing

Second warning - 3-5 days (suspension)

Third warning - 1-2 weeks

Fourth warning - 1 month (this one is the same as the current system, btw)

Fifth warning - Permenant ban

Basically, designed to be a quick slap on the wrist - not trying to say "you're a horrible person, please go die now" (), just "hey, listen, we're really serious about that rule being followed and if you can't see that, maybe you need a couple days off to see how serious we are."

Really, with the forums the way you just described, this doesn't seem unreasonable, does it?

Yup, that sounds good. It should be a good deterrent without having to actually ban anyone from the forums... in fact, I can't remember the last time someone had two warnings, heh.

That's a good idea in theory, and it may help this situation between us now, but you need to keep in mind the newbies. They aren't aware of the situations which brought up this issue (and I doubt they'd want to read this whole long thread about it). So, what would they see? A "lax" rule against nonsense posting? With no clear line drawn? I don't know about you, but if I were a newbie, something that intentionally vague would discourage me from ever trying.

I'm just saying that whatever we do end up with, it needs to be laid out clearly for the benefit of those who haven't been in this discussion.

That's true, definitely. I can't think of how it'd be worded in an official rule though, heh.... unless you just added a PS in the rules that explains the train of thought we're moving along right now, ie... hmm yeah, I can't think of any way to properly explain it without being vague. Although, heck, maybe it's for the best - if there's a rule that adds "yeah, you can have fun threads too, just within reason", a new member might be like "WHOO $#@% YEAH BABY"... whereas, if the rule simply states "Nonsense in the OTT!", he'll keep it to that, and when he's been in the community for a while and understands our culture he'll realize how we really feel.

This kinda goes with what Commy Bro touched on.

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If someone was to join the board, they'd be very wary about what they say until they become more comfortable and accepted. Of course, if we has a case whereby some 'newbie' came and started taking ultimate liberties and demanding acceptance: One, we'd be very curious and two, we wouldn't be accepting he/she any time soon.

Speaking from personal experience, when I first join boards I always try not to 'over-step' my bounds, y'know? I'd never make a post in a new community that's like "LMFAO NOOB!!!!!!!" or something. And sure, there are oddballs like Izzhov that do everything completely wrong when they're new members, but the community whips 'em into shape fast enough. ; )
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[quote="Someone's sig on the AoC forums"]THis game really is more geared towards the adult then, teenbeat wow. This mmo makes u think, somthing a teenager hates to do. -Skopas, eloquently discussing how grown up AoC is.

No read comprehension is not your strong point so I'll you a picture for you. -ubeenhad, just before he a picture for me[/quote]

[quote="Wormy"]I wish I could supply, as everyone else as, good news regarding my love life but sadly not as I am currently shagging a fat girl until I find someone better. [/quote]

[dPaladin]

[Sam]

[CommunistBrotherJr]

[Cheese Monkey]

Hmm. Some good points, though not all of which I personally agree with.

I think I'll take this back to the mod cave for a little while, since it's becoming a bit too tedious to reply to everyone with a nice fat wall-o-text. Feel free to post something relevant if it pops into your head, in the meantime.
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[Lucca Majere]

Aww, poor moths! No fair, I think all creatures should be allowed here. Why are we banning them and not butterflies, huh? Huh? Discrimination!
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[dPaladin]

Discrombulartion, I think you mean.
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