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[Magnus]

What are our beliefs on this matter?

[Ricky]

I don't know at what point it is wrong, but I believe that late abortions are horrid, but during the time that medical abortions are available, I don't have a problem with that. Killing something that doesn't think, feel, or is cognizant or aware doesn't seem nearly as horrible as killing a living animal to me. It's a potential human, not a human, and killing potential humans isn't nearly as bad as killing actual humans. At what point it goes from zygote to human I haven't the foggiest.

I think that abortion is necessary for cases of rape, incest, and plain old stupidity where a girl gets pregnant and is in no position to raise or give birth to a child.
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[Damian]

I don't really agree with the whole "put it up for adoption" thing because the kid doesn't deserve to go through all that shit, honestly. I feel more like abortion's necessary in so many cases not only because the mother couldn't support the child, making times hard, but because the child's life would be pretty miserable too. I mean.. yeah life's a precious thing but would you really want to throw some young'n into a life of hardship and misery right off the bat?

Blech.
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[Cheese Monkey]

I'm pretty much in agreement with everything said so far.

But I'm forced to wonder, who are you sir? This is quite a topic to jump in from nowhere and begin. I'm not trying to discourage you, but... well quite frankly it's been forever since we've had any significant quantity of new members. ._.
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[Izzhov]

Well, my beliefs on the matter can be summed up quite simply: abortion at any point before the brain starts developing is alright with me, because then it's no different from from killing a plant after you planted it. It's a mass of cells with no ability to think or feel. After the brain starts developing, you're killing a sapient being, wtf is wrong with you, the end.

Then again, from a purely utilitarian perspective, abortions can be a great help in preventing overpopulation.

[Damian]

[dPaladin]

Better sex education, as in not abstinence only? Maybe kids would pay more attention if they didn't know that abstinence only is a load of crap. Drug education is just as misleading and no one pays attention to that for the same reason they don't pay attention to Jack Thompson.
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[Cheese Monkey]

Drug education =/= sex education, though.

Abstinence-only sex ed takes the same route as drug ed by assuming that kids aren't mature enough to handle sex properly (to say nothing of Christian-styled "sex ed")... but this is flawed, because of two things:

1. Drugs are (in most cases) addictive, sex is (in most cases) not.
   
2. Considering that we consider most addictive/psychoactive drugs illegal, it's clear that our society considers there to be no proper age for drug use; yet, we don't make sex illegal.

Kids will pay attention if you're honest with them and engage them on the subject. If you insult their intelligence and/or threaten them with hellfire if they dare to try sex, they'll tune you out and just think "ehh, there goes Mr. Arsecrumpet again."

To put it another way: what were your favorite teachers in high school? I'm willing to bet you liked the ones who cared about the topic and made it interesting, engaging, and honest... rather than the ones who looked like they were just there to read dispassionately from a textbook and get paid for it.

But more importantly, there's the "forbidden" issue. Fact: Anything that is forbidden becomes more alluring, especially to kids. If you refuse to teach them abuot sex and contraceptives, their curiosity will not have been fulfilled, leading them to fill that need themselves (sometimes in very dangerous ways). By contrast, if you told them everything there is to know right off the bat, there's very little mystery left... and what mystery remains can be properly handled since the kids would then know how to ward of pregnancies/STDs.
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[Trout]

I agree with the generally accepted policy that abortions should be administered only before the fetus can survive outside the womb. The only problem is that we're not quite sure when that is, and I don't know where we're going to find enough test subjects to figure it out by trial-and-error.
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[quote="Magnus"]i think better Sex ed edgucation would decrease teen pregnancy[/quote]

[chzrm3]

I went to an Irish Catholic high school, so I was actually taught that sex before marriage was a sin. Not even "wait until you're 18" or anything like that, just "don't do it or you'll burn forever".

Needless to say, it's stupid. Everybody was $#@%ing everybody in high school, a few kids got STDs and one moron got his girlfriend pregnant. I don't think it was because of a lack of sex ed, though. The dude that got his girl pregnant always used to brag about how he didn't use a condom and just pulled out (which I never understood, isn't that the whole point? why pull out at the best part, ffs), so he clearly knew what condoms were and why he should use them, but just didn't care. One of my buddies got herpes from his girlfriend even though she'd told him he was the only guy she ever slept with, and I dunno that sex ed would've curbed her desire to cheat.

My point is, I don't think teaching sex ed would matter. Except for very rare cases, pretty much everyone knows what's up with sex when they're ready to have it. If I was in an environment where we weren't taught about condoms at ~all~ in school, and I still knew exactly what a condom was and how it worked (thanks, internet!), then the majority of kids should be fine. I guess if you started teaching it when kids were 10 years old you'd cover every potential case of teen pregnancy, but the place we're at now, kids aren't getting pregnant because they don't know any better, they're mostly just being kids and not worrying about the precautions.

It's like teens and drunk driving. We've got tons of stuff telling them not to do it, all these sad commercials and memorial services and dare classes where people scream "DON'T DRIVE AND DRIVE", but kids still do it and still kill themselves/other people because of it. We can try to rectify the issue by spending even more time and effort getting through to these kids, or we can accept the fact that some people will still do something, even if they're told not to.

Rather than spending more money on sex/drug education, let's fix the massive problem our schools have when it comes to sucking ass at reading/math compared to other first world countries. In the grand scheme of things, I'm a lot more worried about the U.S. continuing on this trend of being stupider than other countries than I am about some kid porking a girl he's had a crush on and making a baby. The latter is human nature, the former is the cause for a lot of insults on youtube. Q_Q
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[chzrm3]

LOL! I guess I could save face by pretending I was talking about golf?
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[quote="Someone's sig on the AoC forums"]THis game really is more geared towards the adult then, teenbeat wow. This mmo makes u think, somthing a teenager hates to do. -Skopas, eloquently discussing how grown up AoC is.

No read comprehension is not your strong point so I'll you a picture for you. -ubeenhad, just before he a picture for me[/quote]

[quote="Wormy"]I wish I could supply, as everyone else as, good news regarding my love life but sadly not as I am currently shagging a fat girl until I find someone better. [/quote]